Zabroniona satelita na nowym bloku - co robić?

[user358908]

Mam naprawde bardzo duzy problem.Wlasnie jestem w trakcie kupowania swojego wymarzonego pierwszego domu a tu bardzo nie mila niespodzianka.Wlasnie otrzymalam papiery od swojego adwokata a tam napisane czego nie wolno miec zwierzat(kot psy kroliki,chomiki),nie wolno zawiesic zadnej anteny ani satelity na calym budynku a takrze w jego obrebie.Zadzwonilam do council na ealing z prosba o wyznaczenie mi miejsca na powieszenie mojej anteny ale oni powiedzieli ze BT SKY oferuje w tym domu gdzie mam zamieszkac podlaczenia do satelity.Powiedzialam im ze BT SKY odbiera z innej satelity Astra a ja potrzebuje Hot-Bird do odbioru mojej telewizji.Powiedzialam im takrze ze kiedy przyjedzie do mnie moja rodzina z Polski oni nie rozumieja angielskiego.Bardzo prosze o pomoc co ja mam zrobic.Czy jest jakies prawo mowiace ze nie wolno zabraniac ludziom ogladania telewizji w ich ojczystym jezyku Polski.Dlaczego Anglicy dyskriminuja Polakow.

[banita]

jest prawo ktore zabrania odbierania cyfry, polsatow etc w kraju innym niz nadawcy

jak council sie nie zgodzil to nic nie mozesz zrobic, nawet jak jestes wlascicielem "freehold" to i tak caoncil ma ostatnie zdanie

te zastrzezenia pochadza z dokomentow o lease - trzeba bylo najpierw poczytac:) zwierzakiem bym sie nie przejmowal bo nikt nie powinien sie czepiac poki nie bedzie ujadal po nocy albo sral na klatke, ale z antena mozesz miec problem nie do pokonania

[MarcFloyd]

Nie podales pod jaki council podlega miejsce w ktorym mieszkasz. Przejrzalem pokrote strony kilku, tu masz przklady:

Do I need Planning Permission for a Satellite Dish?

A satellite dish located on a house or bungalow (not a flat) will not require planning permission providing that :-

1) The size of the dish (not including reinforcing rim, mountings and brackets) does not exceed 45 centimetres (171/2 inches) if located on a chimney.

2) The size of the dish (not including reinforcing rim, mountings and brackets) does not exceed 90 centimetres (35 inches) if located on or within the curtilage of a house or bungalow, except for the chimney.

3) The satellite dish if located on a roof is no higher than the highest part of that roof.

4) The satellite dish if located on a chimney is no higher than the highest part of that chimney.

5) There are no other satellite dishes on or within the curtilage of your property.

6) Your property is not a listed building.

7) If your property is within a conservation area the following apply:

i) Satellite dishes require planning permission if sited on a chimney;

ii) Satellite dishes require planning permission if sited on a building which exceeds 15 metres (49 feet) in height;

iii) Satellite dishes require planning permission if sited on a wall or roof slope which faces a highway (road, footpath, service road, garage court).

There is not a planning condition attached to the original planning consent for the property stating that no satellite dishes can be erected without the prior approval of the Local Planning Authority. If you are not certain please check with the Planning Division.

Satellite dish
Use this page to find out if permission is required to erect a satellite dish on your property.

Planning Permission

Planning permission is required if the answer to any of the following questions is yes:

If the dish would be located on a chimney, would its size exceed 45 centimetres in diameter?
Irespective of its size, would the height of the dish exceed the highest part of the chimney?
If the dish is located elsewhere on the property, would the size exceed 90cm?
Are there any other dishes on the building?
If the dish would be erected on the roof, would it exceed the highest part of the roof?
In all cases, even where the answer to all the above questions is no, you should ensure that the satellite dish is sited to minimise its effect on the appearance of the house. In otherwords, the dish should be positioned as discretely as possible, otherwise planning permission will be required. Please click here to link to the government's Planning Portal satellite dish locator page.

Spojrzales moze na strony councilu? Gdzie dokladnie mieszkasz?

[MarcFloyd]

Znalazlem jeszcze cos wlasciwszego, tym razem rzadowego:

http://www.planning-applications.co.uk/ ... 20Info.htm

Office of the Deputy Prime Minister
A Householder's Planning Guide for the
Installation of Satellite Television Dishes

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The documents below have been made available in Adobe Acrobat format for downloading. The Adobe Acrobat Reader can be freely downloaded.
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Introduction
This Planning Guide is the Government's statement of good practice on the siting of satellite television dish antennas in England and Wales. It has been prepared with, and agreed by, representatives of the satellite television industry and local planning authorities.

The purpose of this guide is:

First to protect our environment from unnecessarily large, unsympathetic or poorly sited satellite dishes.

Second to make you, as a householder, aware of the need for the appropriate siting of satellite dishes.

Third to help retailers and installers provide improved advice and service to householders on the siting of satellite dishes.

Before you buy or rent a dish, check whether you need planning permission, listed building consent or owner's/ landlord's consent.

Remember, you are responsible for the appropriate siting of satellite dishes; if you have any doubt, contact the planning department of your local council or seek independent professional advice.

Checklist for Selection, Purchase, and Installation
Check if you need the landlord's, or owner's consent.

Don't allow a dish to be installed without first finding out whether or not you need planning permission or listed building consent.

Use reputable and authorised suppliers and installers.

Select a dish no larger than the minimum required for good reception.

Site the dish in an inconspicuous place, preferably where your neighbours and the public cannot see it.

Avoid breaking the skyline with the dish and, whenever possible don't site it in front of the house.

Select a dish that blends in with its chosen background.

Respect the environment. The cheapest option may not be the most environmentally friendly.

Don't forget that you are responsible for having it installed; poor siting may lead the council to require you to resite the dish at your own expense.

Satellite TV technology continues to evolve: you should be aware of the different kinds of system so that you can make an informed choice.

Is a planning application required?
A general permission exists under the Town and Country Planning (General Permitted Development) Order 1995, as amended by the Town and Country Planning (General Permitted Development) (Amendment) Order 1998 for satellite dishes in certain circumstances. These are explained below according to different house types and areas.

If you are a tenant or a leaseholder (ie you do not own the house you live in), then the landlord's or owner's consent to install a dish is usually required, unless it has already been given, as well as any other necessary permissions.

1 Do you live in a house that is not in a conservation area, a National park, an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty or the Norfolk Boards?
Then you do not need to apply for planning permission to install a dish on that house, provided that:

there will not be more than one dish on the building or in the garden;

the dish does not exceed 90cm in size;

if the dish is installed on the roof, it does not protrude above the highest part of the roof;

in the case of an installation on a chimney stack, the dish does not exceed 45cm in size and is not higher than the highest part of the stack.

2 Do you live in a larger block of flats (of or over 15m in height - approximately over five storeys)?
Then you do not need to apply for planning permission to install a dish, provided that:

the building is not in a conservation area, a National Park, an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty or the Broads;

the number of dishes (including terrestrial dish antennas) on the building as a whole does not exceed two;

the dish does not exceed 1.3m in size.

3 Do you live in a flat in a small block of flats or commercial premises (below 15m in height) or plan to install a dish on a commercial property (eg shop, pub, club, etc)? Or do you live in a dwelling house in a conservation area, a National Park, an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty or the Broads?

Then you do not need to apply for planning permission to install a dish, provided that:

the dish does not exceed the limits on size, number and siting that are set out in paragraph 1 above, and the installation is not on a chimney stack, nor on the wall or roofslope fronting the road or public footpath (or, in the case of the Broads, fronting the waterway).
In the case of flats, these limits refer to the building as a whole and not to each separate flat. If, therefore, one flat dweller has already installed a dish, planning permission is required for further installations. However, in such a case, the flat dweller may wish to examine the possibility of a shared dish.

Your supplier or installer may generally be able to advise whether an application for planning permission is required for installing a dish in a particular place. If there is any doubt you should contact the planning department of your local council; the department provides application forms if planning permission is required.

It is your responsibility for seeking, or not seeking, planning permission. If required, planning permission should be granted before installation.

Size means the measurement across any dimension of the antenna (excluding any projecting feed element, the reinforcing rim and supporting brackets).

Some buildings are 'listed' because of their special historic or architectural interest. If you live in a 'listed building', you will need to consult your local planning department. The department can advise if the building is 'listed'. If it is, you will generally need to apply for 'listed building consent', if you wish to install a dish on that building. This consent is different from planning permission and must not be confused with it.

Listed building consent is required for any dish that affects the character orappearance of a listed building or its setting.
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[user358908]

To jest nowy budynek Moj council to EALING

[MarcFloyd]

Jedyne co znalazle w twoim councilu (ale szukalem raptem dwie minuty) to PROPONOWANA satellite dish polisy (pod spodem)

Jako iz nie ma wzmianki ze zostala przyjeta, to byc moze jest jakas tam szansa. Zadzwon do councilu (lub wyslij mejla) i popros o przeslanie ci ich satellite dish policy, bedaca podstawa wydania takiej a nie innej decyzji.

Daj znac jak ja dostaniesz.

Pozdrawiam.

Report for:
ACTION to approve proposed satellite dish policy


Item Number:



Contains Confidential or Exempt Information
NO

Title Ealing Council Housing service satellite dish policy
Responsible Officer(s) Tom Dent, Director of Housing & Environmental Health
0208 825 9315
dentt@ealing.gov.uk
Author(s) Lorna Fleming Housing Strategy Development Officer
020 8825 5389
Flemingl@ealing.gov.uk
Portfolio(s) Housing and Social Services
For Consideration By Cabinet
Date to be Considered 27 June 2006
Implementation Date if Not Called In 10 July 2006
Affected Wards All
Area Committees All
Keywords/Index Housing satellite dish policy

Purpose of Report:
Cabinet are asked to authorise the issue of the new satellite dish policy. The introduction of a satellite dish policy is needed to explain the application procedure, the criteria on which a decision to grant permission to erect a satellite dish on premises owned or managed by the council is made and to clarify the responsibilities of council housing tenants and lessees applying to install a satellite dish on council housing property.


1. Recommendations

It is recommended that cabinet
• Approves the satellite dish policy attached at Appendix - 1
• Authorises the housing service to issue the attached satellite dish policy to all Council tenants and lessees applying to install a satellite dish on premises owned or managed by the council.

2. Reason for Decision and Options Considered

• To set out the issues that an officer should consider when assessing an application to erect a satellite dish on Council premises and the conditions under which permission will be granted.
• To allow the housing service to issue tenants with the satellite dish policy.

3. Key Implications

The new satellite dish policy is required in order to:

(a) Clarify tenants and lessees obligations when installing a satellite dish.

(b) Support the housing service in taking action against tenants and lessees:
• to recover the costs of any damage caused to Council property as the result of the installation of a satellite dish;
• who have installed a dish which constitutes a health and safety risk and / or failed to maintain a satellite dish in a safe condition;
• have erected a satellite dish which is of a size and / or in a position to cause nuisance to others.

(c) Ensure the satellite dish policy is user friendly, to assist tenants and lessees to clearly understand their rights and obligations.

4. Financial

There is no financial impact.

5. Legal

The Council has the power to introduce a satellite dish policy that complies with the Ealing planning policy in relation to satellite dishes. The policy will not fetter the Council’s discretion to grant permission to erect a satellite dish on Council premises, as each case must be taken on its own merits. The permission of the Council to erect a satellite dish should not be unreasonably withheld.

The obligation on tenants and lessees to obtain the Council‘s permission before erecting satellite dishes has been in Ealing’s tenancy agreement and Right to Buy lease for a considerable period of time and the policy only clarifies the matters which will be considered when deciding whether to give permission. Therefore it would be reasonable for the policy to be applied both when a request for permission to install a new dish is received and when a decision is being taken whether to permit an existing dish to be retained where that dish was installed without permission.

The policy will not affect the Council's right to take action against a party who has erected a satellite dish without permission in breach of their agreement with the Council in circumstances where it is considered reasonable to do so.


6. Value For Money

The introduction of a satellite dish policy will assist Ealing council in recouping cost for damage where a satellite dish has been installed inappropriately.

6. Risk Management

The Council is responsible for collecting any charges that its tenants and lessees may be liable for. A clear satellite dish policy specifying the applicant’s responsibilities helps to minimise the risk of a tenant or lessee erecting a dish inappropriately or refusing to pay for damage caused when erecting a satellite dish.

The satellite Policy clarifies the requirement for any installation to be installed by registered fitters and that it does not constitute a health and safety risk.

8. Community Safety

There are no community safety issues.

9. Links to Strategic Objectives

This satellite dish policy reflects the Strategic Objective to Protect and enhance our environment by preventing the installation of dangerous or unsightly satellite dishes and protecting council housing property from damage.

10. Equalities and Community Cohesion

An Equality Impact Assessment has been undertaken and has been approved by the Senior Diversity Consultant, Employee Relations Equality and Diversity unit. There are considerations for disabled people, the elderly or non-English language speakers living in properties owned or managed by the Council.

11. Staffing/Workforce and Accommodation implications:

There are no implications involved.

12. Property and Assets

The satellite dish policy reinforces the duty of the council and tenants to maintain and preserve our properties and the environment.

13. Any other implications:

Implementation of the policy can only be carried out from the date that it is approved but it is reasonable to apply it to satellite dishes that have already been installed if we are considering whether or not to give permission for them to be retained. The obligation on tenants and lessees to obtain our permission before erecting dishes has been in the tenancy agreement and Right to Buy lease for a considerable period of time but this policy clarifies and regularises the matters which the Council will consider when deciding whether to give permission.

The new satellite dish policy will relate to secure Council tenants and lessees managed by Ealing Homes. It will not cover secure tenants managed by Notting Hill Housing Association and Ealing Family Housing Association who also manage housing estates where Ealing housing service tenants live. Both Notting Hill Housing Association and Ealing Family Housing Association will retain responsibility for satellite dishes erected onto the properties that they own.

14. Consultation

The draft satellite dish policy was referred to the tenant and leaseholders meeting and the area boards in March and April 2006. Following consultation the draft policy has been amended.

15. Timetable for Implementation

It is proposed that the new policy will be implemented from 10 July 2006.

16. Appendices
Appendix 1 is a copy of the satellite dish policy

17. Background Information

There is none.

[user358908]

Bardzo ci dziekuje zadzwonie do nich w poniedzialek.

[user358908]

Wlasnie dzwonilam do nich powiedzieli mi ze musze rozmawiac z wlascicielem domu (a jest nim Catalist),ale kiedy rozmawialam z wlascicielem to oni powiedzieli ze jest juz satelita i nie mozna zalozyc zadnej innej.Widzisz naprawde nie wiem co zrobic bo myslalam ze jesli dalam im argumenty dlaczego chce ogladac polska TV oni ntego nie uwzglednili.Chyba nie pozostaje mi nic innego ale musze dochodzic swoich praw przed sadem.Bylabym wdzieczna jesli mialbys jeszce jakies informacjie,na ten temat.Zobacz sam jaka dyskryminacja czemu my nie mamy takich samych praw jak pakistancy czy hidusi albo inne kraje oni moga ogladac swoja telewizje.Wydaje mi sie ze my w tym kraju mamy tylko zapychac dziury w pracach,a po za tym nic nam nie wolno i nie przysluguje,Czy wyobrarzasz sobie osoby ktore maja dzieci i nie moga pokazac polskiej kultury ,polskiej TV,

[MarcFloyd]

Zobacz sam jaka dyskryminacja czemu my nie mamy takich samych praw jak pakistancy czy hidusi albo inne kraje

User35... na poczatek bardzo cie prosze: nie piszo dyskryminacji bo to nie zadna dyskryminacja tylko zapewne niechec do posiadanie trzydziestu talerzy roznych ksztaltow na budynku, ze wzgledow estetycznych I prywatnie ci powiem ze im sie nie dziwie

Wlasnie dzwonilam do nich powiedzieli mi ze musze rozmawiac z wlascicielem domu (a jest nim Catalist),ale kiedy rozmawialam z wlascicielem to oni powiedzieli ze jest juz satelita i nie mozna zalozyc zadnej innej.

Czyli nie jest to decyzja Councilu. To juz cos wiemy. Teraz do rzeczy.
1. Spradz dokladnie umowe, terms and conditions i WSZYSTKIE pozostale dokumenty ktore dostalas przy kupnie domu. Jak rozumiem ty jestes wlascicielka mieszkania/czesci domu w jednym wiekszym budynku, tak?

2. Jesli w dokumentach ktore otrzymalas nie ma nic na ten temat zadzown ponownie do Catalist i zapytaj na jakiej podstawie nie mozesz zalozyc anteny. Sa zapewne dwie mozliwosci: albo powolaja sie na zapis ktory przeoczylas lub jakis zapis ogolny albo na przepisy councilu. Jesli na to drugie to wtopili bo council ideslal Cie do nich, czyli decyzja nie pochodzi od niego. W takim przypadku pozostanie juz tylko powtorzyc cala procedure na pismie.

Zastrzegam: nie jestem prawnikiem (zajmuje sie rachunkowoscia, prawo znam tylko tym zakresie), moje rady wynikaja z doswiadczenia zyciowego w postepowaniu w sprawach formalnych i postepowaniu z urzedami.

[user163987]

czesc jak mozesz to napisz jak sie zakonczyla Twoja sprawa z antená?Jestem ciekaw bosami mamy podobny problem,tyle ze my wynajmujemy.Nasz talerz wisi juz pare miesiecy i mimo prób straszenia ze strony agencji sie nie poddajemy i nie mam zamiaru go sciagac.pozdrawiam.Jezeli masz jakies papiery jak to wszystko zalatwilas to prosze o kontakt.Katarzyna83@interia.eu.Dzieki.!