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user1420693
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Noże w UK

Postautor: user1420693 » 13 wrz 2007 20:39

W poprzednim roku byłem na campingu w UK i w tym roku zamierzam zacząć tak samo bo namiot oszczędza mi koszów zakwaterowania i niepewności jakie powoduje załatwianie sobie accomodation jeszcze w Polsce.

Z campingowanie wiąże się jeden problem.... często nieodzowny okazuje się nóż niezależnie czy chodzi o przygotowanie posiłku, rozpalenie ogniska, czy skrócenie linki od namiotu.

Jak się okazało podczas mojego poprzedniego pobytu posiadanie noża jest nielegalne w UK, chyba, że spełnia się pewne warunki....

i tu pytanie jakie warunki muszę spełniać by nosić ze sobą nóż?
Co mi grozi jeżeli nie spełniam tych warunków a mimo to mam przy sobie nóż?

Artur79
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Postautor: Artur79 » 14 wrz 2007 13:12

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ przeszukaj pod katem slowa kluczowego knife
I stresc prosze co wyczytales bo nie chcialo mi sie tego wszystkiego wertowac :D

user1420693
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Postautor: user1420693 » 14 wrz 2007 15:37

Fajnie już lookalem angielskie www i paragrafy doszedłem z nich do wniosuku, że :

można nosić nuż krótszy niz 3 cale
nie można wogóle soprezynwoego
nie mzona na widoku
mozna nosic noz tlyko jezeli amsz uzasanieni posiadania go (np jestes szefem kuchni, wedkujesz, mysliwy)

niesety jezyk prawny jest dosc zawily niektóre określenia noży (akurat sprężynowy zrozumiałem) czy określenia prawne są zawiłe więc nadal nie wiem czy dorbze zrozumiałem co i jak nie chciałbym wrpowdzać w błąd kogoś... nadal ne jest też dla mnie jasne co mi grozi za posiadanie noża

więc byłbym wdzięczny za pomoc zaraz wkleję artykuł po angielsku który znalazłem dotyczący tego tematu:

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

Please note that Scotland and Northern Ireland have their own legislative powers and consequently not all UK legislation applies in these countries.

In the UK, the main knife legislation is found in the Criminal Justice Act (CJA) 1988 however certain types of knife are banned under the Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act (ROWA) 1959, the relevant section of the latter being Section 1.

It is an offence for a person to manufacture, sell, hire or offer for sale or hire or expose or have in his possession for the purpose of sale or hire, or lend or give to any person:

* A) any knife which has a blade which opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in or attached to the handle of the knife, sometimes know as a "flick knife" or "flick gun"; or

* B) any knife which has a blade which is released from the handle or sheath thereof by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force and which, when released, is locked in place by means of a button, spring, lever, or other device, sometimes known as a "gravity knife".

[ROWA 1959 S 1(1)]

Section 1(2) also makes it illegal to import knives of this type, as a result it is (almost) impossible to obtain possession of such a knife without either committing or abetting an offence. Note that the above legislation does not refer to possession of such knives other than possession for the purpose of sale or hire, it is therefore not illegal per se to merely possess such a knife.

The CJA 1988 mainly relates to carrying knives in public places, Section 139 being the most important.

It is an offence for any person, without lawful authority or good reason, to have with him in a public place, any article which has a blade or is sharply pointed except for a folding pocket-knife which has a cutting edge to its blade not exceeding 3 inches. [CJA 1988 section 139(1)]

The phrase "good reason" is intended to allow for "common sense" possession of knives, so that it is legal to carry a knife if there is a bona fide reason to do so. Examples of bona fide reasons which have been accepted include: a knife required for ones trade (e.g. a chefs knife), as part of a national costume (e.g. a sgian dubh), or for religious reasons (e.g. a Sikh Kirpan).

The special exception which exists in the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (s139) for folding knives (pocket knives) is another "common sense" measure accepting that some small knives are carried for general utility however even a folding pocket knife of less than 3" (76mm) may still be considered an offensive weapon if carried or used for that purpose. It is a common belief that a folding knife must be non-locking for this provision to apply however the wording of the Criminal Justice Act does not mention locking and the matter becomes a question as to the definition of "folding pocket knife" and has not been definitively settled within English Jurisprudence.

The same act also covers the possession of knives within school premises:

It is an offence for any person, without lawful authority or good reason, to have with him on school premises any article to which s.139 applies. [CJA 1988 section 139A(1)]

This would appear to imply that all legislation on knives in public applies similarly to school premises, and therefore a folding pocket knife under 3" in length would be considered legal.

British law also covers age restriction on the sale of knives in the Criminal Justice Act 1998:

It is an offence for any person to sell to a person under the age of 16 any knife, knife blade, razor blade, axe or any other article which has a blade or is sharply pointed and which is made or adapted for causing injury to the person. [CJA 1988 section 141A]

British courts have in the past taken the marketing of a particular brand of knife into account when considering whether an otherwise legal folding knife was carried as an offensive weapon. A knife which is marketed as "tactical", "military", "special ops", etc could therefore carry an extra liability. The Knives Act 1997 now restricts the marketing of knives as offensive weapons and thus it is much more unlikely that such marketing could be used as evidence against a defendant.

Although English law insists that it is the responsibility of the prosecution to provide evidence proving a crime has been committed an individual must provide evidence to prove that they had a bona fide reason for carrying a knife (if this is the case). Whilst this may appear to be a reversal of the usual burden of proof, technically the prosecution has already proven the case (prima facie) by establishing that a knife was being carried in a public place.


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